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Transcript of End of the Road Special

Transcript of End of the Road Special.

Please let me know if I made any errors in transcription. Twitter version Family Don’t End with Blood Transcription Winchester Mythology Transcription

Dabb: Ultimately, we came up with something that we're all very proud of Singer: You never know what the audience is going to like so we really tried to say "what would make us happy? Would we be satisfied with where we've taken them?"

The Carry On song was a guideline.

Singer: The myth of what these brothers were throughout 15 years... We didn't shy away from fatalism, but we wanted to be able to have it be kinda uplifting as well.

Dabb: If you're going to do something that feels like a complete arc, you have to kinda go back to the beginning of it (clips of them hunting vamps from s1 & 15.20) When it comes to Sam & Dean- it's all about getting back to, in some ways, these two guys on the road in this car.

Dabb: They've been doing this job for 15 years now. They've fought everyone from demons to vampires to God himself, but at the end of the day, they're still working guys, out there on the road & taking cases. We've tried to never lose sight of that.

Dabb: There are times when we've been wrapped up in our own mythology a little bit. We've always tried to get back to the basics, which are: these two guys, saving people, hunting things.

Eugenie: I think we sort of knew generally what the ending would involve.

Eugenie: We might not have known the mechanics, but we sort of knew there would be a victorious, glorious sacrificial ending bc I think sacrifice is a big theme in the series.

For every great thing you do, a cost must be paid.

Singer: Andrew & I talked about it. We were in agreement pretty quickly... talked to the rest of the writing staff & let them know what we wanted to do and we were open to suggestions. And then we pretty much pitched it to Jared and Jensen.

Jensen talks about flying to LA. Jensen: So before we ever even started 15, we knew how the last portion of the story was going to go. We didn't know how we were going to get there, but we kinda knew the final- the finish line- we knew what... what that was going to look like.

Jared: I don't think there's ever been a season of SPN in 15 years where the way the writers thought the show would play out for that season- ended up being the way it played out And so we were aware of that. They told us here's what we're thinking, here's what happens to Castiel

Jared: In the finale, Dean dies & Sam lives on. And then we think they're going to meet up in heaven.

I remember Jensen... just because I know him so well- he seemed to bristle a little bit.

Jensen: It was hard to hear then & it was hard to read now. Not because I didn't like it, not because I wished it had gone differently... I'm not adverse to it. I think it's a great ending. I'm proud to film it.

Singer: And we just aimed for that, you know, throughout the season. We knew where we were going.

Jensen: Reading it & knowing that... there's just a weight that is so much larger reading these scripts than I've ever experienced before.

There's an emotional weight that these scripts are going to carry & these episodes are going to have that I don't think we've ever seen before.

Brad: [J2] were so young when all of this started. They brought to it such conviction & such commitment to the effort.

That's one of the things that kept the show going for so many years... a show that was designed for very young guys, footloose & fancy free, & on the road…

Brad: To see these guys grow up b4 your eyes into- men, not boys any longer- was amazing.

BABY Jared: Though the story does involve Sam & Dean chasing supernatural things, it really is a story about two brothers that love each other & ultimately will do anything for each other.

Jensen: There's really one person that gets it on the level that I get it, and that's Jared. Jared: I've never spent as much time with another human being as I have with Jensen Ackles. He will be my friend and brother forever. And I know that.

BABY Jensen: There's a lot of dynamics between the two brothers, there's a lot of history between them, there's a lot of banter between them... it's good stuff S15 Jensen: We had a partner in crime & we leaned on each other for, you know, for times when it was tough.

Jensen: But we also won together. We got to share the experience of success & the experience of getting picked up for another season. Watching these two characters go through what they're going through, when we're working 14 hours & it's 2-3 o’clock on a Sat morning and we're just now finishing filming out in the rain and mud and we gotta race to the airport to get on a plane because we've got a photoshoot in LA & we've gotta do on camera interviews and we gotta promote the show that we love so much that we were just in the mud & the rain filming hours before we're exhausted and it's like there's only one person that gets that right now. That gets how I feel and that's this guy standing next to me. That's pretty cool. That's pretty cool to have somebody like that.

Brad: We knew it was going to be impossible to tie up every aspect of all of the cans of worms that we opened up.

We did want to bring a proper ending to the guys, the guy's relationship.

Brad: Then of course we had this huge corner we painted ourselves into with the most powerful thing in the universe being the big bad of the season. We try and find a proper send off for Jack & for Cas. What to do w/ the boys & is that a together farewell or an individual?

It was just... lots of moving parts.

Dabb: I give a lot of credit to Bobo who really was the one who started banging the drum early & often to ending the mythology in 19 and end the characters in 20.

Brad: You're battling God & battling God & you have this epic situation going on through the first 3/4 of the show & then what? You send off Dean in act 4? That just felt wrong. Eugenie: We had this obligation, it was really mandatory, that we tie up the mythic narrative and leave the final episode for the emotional resolution. I [was] more on the side of not wanting to best God. To have God change to be more like his creations. So there were philosophical arguments, but we always knew God's resolution was going to be a big ticket item.

Jensen: We'd started day 1 of the 2nd to last episode, 19. We were 1 day down on that episode & we were just about to start our 2nd day & we got the call that morning that we were not going to be coming in that day.

Jensen: So we figured ok, we'll figure out protocol, figure out what we need to do, & we'll just regroup, come back on Monday. As that day progressed, it was like- this looks like more of an apocalypse that is ascending upon us than just a bad cold.

They pulled the plug & they said everybody go home.

Singer: Fortunately, we got assurance from both the studio & the network that one way or another we were gonna finish the series. That was comforting to us, but we didn't know when we were going to go back.

Eugenie: We didn't know what we were going back to... if this was the last time we would ever see the set. There was no plan. It was just get out of dodge. Dabb: When it first happened, we thought it would be a couple of weeks, maybe a month.

I had conversations w/WB where they expected everyone to be back shooting in June & then things got worse & pushed & pushed.

Eugenie: Slowly as we settled into that 4 or 5 month period, discussions were going on w/the studio, & the networks, & the actors. We knew there would be restrictions on what we were allowed to shoot, but finally, the mechanics were figured out.

Singer: So they were ready to go pretty quickly, shooting in Van, where covid wasn't quite as virulent as it was [in LA].

Dabb: We were one of the first shows, one of the first WB shows to start back up. So in a way, we were kinda a guinea pig. But, in being that, I think everyone took it really seriously. We had 0 positive tests. Crew members weren't going out on the weekends.

They were like look, if I get sick, it hurts the whole show. That speaks to the family culture up there, where we've had so much of our crew for so long. Where J2 & Singer provide such great leadership.

Singer: When I was in prep for 20, I was basically in the office but couldn't go to the set. It was very odd for me not to be able to go to the set while I was in prep.

Everybody just hung in there & did what they were supposed to do.

Brad: Then we were faced with the dilemma of having to rewrite a lot of the stuff bc of the pandemic bc of the limitations that we knew were going to come on the production.

Jensen: We were gearing up for, not only the end of that season, but the end of the series. There was a lot of big, big things written-packed- into those last two scripts.

Jared: At first, it was supposed to be a lot of our old cast from prior seasons in a Roadhouse with Kansas.

Everybody had already agreed. Kansas was going to be in Van. We were going to have dad there & mom there. Just probably 20 or 30 different actors & actresses who had been a part of the SPN's canon over the last 15 & a half years.

Jensen: It was scheduled to be the last day that we were going to film, so it was almost like rolling right into a nice wrap party on camera.

Brad: The idea of flying a boatload of ppl up there to quarantine for 2 weeks so they could shoot for a day was making less & less sense.

Eugenie: How do we make this work? And while you're doing that, you also don't want to sacrifice the heart and soul of the project.

So we came up with a reduced, much more intimate ending. It has been replaced by something equally magical & rewarding.

Singer: I felt an enormous responsibility in directing the finale of a show that's been on for 15 years. Andrew, when he saw the cut, he said some really nice things to me as to, you know, the way I handled the material.

Jensen: The scenes that were filmed on our last day on the sound stages were filled with the most emotion of the final episode.

Singer: One of the really hard things was we're on another stage that wasn't the MoL stage & they started wrecking the MoL sets

They'd been working on this set and been apart of this- this family for just as long if not longer than the set's been around. I was like "it's really sad seeing this get taken down" and the other guy said, "I'm trying to hold back tears while I'm swinging this hammer."

Jared: As we start saying goodbye to characters, to locations, like it just seems like every day you would wake up and there would be some reason to cry.

Misha: This is a show ultimately about love, & empathy, & caring, & I think that Castiel embodies that.

Misha: Half the crew was crying. It was really such a sweet, supporting environment to be in for the demise of a character that, of course, for me is really important.

But it was so lovely to see that, you know, the folks that I'm- I'm working with were also there for Cas at that moment.

Alex: To get to work with these caliber people & see your friends every day is really special & is not something that often happens in this business for this long. It's been definitely a topsy turvy last couple weeks here with us and the crew.

Jared: Friday of the final full week was the big scene in the barn with the vampires where Dean suffers his fate. They did the first two days with the entire stunt team & the young boy actors.

And then they cut it for Thursday night and they're like, okay, Friday, tomorrow, we’re starting the dialogue. Dean, you're on the post. Sam, you just cut off the last vampire's head.

That was the scene- that was where Supernatural was really encapsulated.

Jensen: And then the next week we kind of had this- on the road encore get together filmmaking scenario that felt more like we made it & it was more pats on the back as opposed to tearful goodbyes.

Dabb: In a weird way you can look at the 15 seasons is like Sam & Dean's emotional evolution. You know instead of therapy, they kill vampires, but other than that it's kind of the same & brings them both to a very good place. And a place where they can, as the song says, you know, lay their weary head to rest.

This felt like the most honest & emotionally fulfilling episode for these characters to us. Jared: I got thinking about how Supernatural started & how the majority of times how I thought it should end. It started with Sam & Dean Winchester. I think it's proper that it ended with Sam & Dean Winchester together again.

Jensen: When the cameras stop rolling & Bob yelled, “Cut!” and Bob yelled, “That’s a series wrap on Supernatural.” There was- a there was a loud cheer that echoed through that canyon we were filming in. I will- I will happily say that there were hugs that happened and that needed to happen. Those are people that I spent not just years with, but so much time with- it's like brothers in arms and so to put it to bed the way that we did felt really good and then felt good to hug some people, I'll tell you that much. Singer: I thanked everyone, but I wanted to really thank people who had been with us from the beginning and as I looked around, there were so many people who had been there from the beginning.

We really were a family. I always say about this show is one of the reasons that it was a success and is that it was not only about the Winchester family, but it was about the Supernatural family.

Jared: So now that's all said and done, I guess I can look back at it and just be proud that I helped this show carry on and I'm really proud of the blood, sweat, and tears that I put in, and I feel like- I feel like that sacrifice was also maybe one of the things I learned from Sam, you know? Sam had to sacrifice a lot. So, I'm honored and flattered and grateful that I got to be a part of that journey.

Dabb: You're never going to have another show like this. You're never gonna have another experience like this. For a lot of different reasons, from how long it ran, from the family that the show became, from the amazing fans that we have. [Footage of us] From the emotional investment people can put in over 15 years of their lives.

Some started watching this when they were in high school, when they were 15, they're 30 now, they might have kids. That's their- that's like half their life. They've been with this show. You're not gonna have that again. Shows just aren’t gonna run this long, especially genre shows, but I don't know that I'm ever gonna do anything else in my career that I'm gonna be more proud of than having been involved in this show.

Jared: The things that stick out are just how important it is to keep putting one foot in front of the other. And keep on working and wake up every day and treat it like it could be your last and- and if you make it out the other side, you'll be happy and proud of what you did.

Jensen: The crew had packed up, they had cleared the bridge, and they were all starting to, you know, load their trucks and get moving. And Jared and I just kind of hung back, and we just took a moment. I looked at him and I said, “I’m proud of us, man. I'm proud of what we've done.”

We know that that's the collective we, that is everyone that is involved, that is- you know from the top down. You know, for our portion, for what we contributed to this monster of the show, he and I reflected on that, and still able to see and smell the roses.

#supernatural #spn #spnfamily #spn family #spn 15.20 #spn s15 #spn s15 spoilers #carry on #spn finale #spn spoilers #sam winchester #dean winchester #jared padalecki #jensen ackles #brotherlylove #sam&dean #brothers man #bts #actor opinions

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hippychick006 · 4 years ago

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Paleyfest 2006: Supernatural Panel

So I’ve watched about half the panel so far and am taking a break because my airpods have ran out of charge as I keep pausing to make notes. It was a natural break anyway as the first part of the panel was a hosted session and the next part is a questions from the audience.

So many memories and a couple of things I’d forgotten but been smiling for the last couple of hours as I watch, pause and pull the notes together. Definitely worth a revisit to remember falling in love with this show and these guys.

Here’s my notes so far which I’ll tidy up and reissue all in a single post when I’ve finished watching tomorrow (timings are based on the video link)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R6YHq20XmNE

Placing under a cut as longish post:

Supernatural was named in the Top 5 of new series by Entertainment Weekly

Aww. Kim Manners ☹ Miss his influence so much on the later seasons

2:20: Jensen followed by Jared are announced to the panel. Jared arrives and doesn’t quite know where he’s supposed to go. Oh Jared.

Robert Singer looks so young! Wworking with J2 for so long has definitely aged him. 😊

3:35: Erik says as far as he’s aware, this panel is the first gathering of Supernatural fans

3:40: Erik tells the story of them filming in Stanley Park the night before the panel and they get a call about a man near their filming with a handgun, set gets shut down, J2 held away, police etc. called in and 2 hours later they find out it’s one of their own guys from Special Effects team.

They showed Scarecrow episode at the panel – great choice!

8:11: Jared is reintroduced to the panel. The host is still having the same trouble getting through Jared’s roles as he did with Jensens. A guy shouts, “I love you.” Same random audience member, same

8:55: J2 slap hands as Jared sits down beside Jensen at the panel.

13:40: Erik’s been talking about the concept of the show and the care the brothers have for each other. Cut to Jared who is currently pouring Jensen some water. Aww

15:00: They auditioned “everyone in town” so J2 did really, really well getting these roles. They flew Jensen down from Vancouver and Jared’s complaining he had to drive. They thought they had found their Sam in Jensen.

15:45: Jensen and Jared trying to dodge the question by passing it to each other, Jared: What’s the exact question?

Immediately following this Jared’s talking about getting the role from his perspective and his little baby!Jared Texan accent is just…

17:05: Jared, talking about his mom being an English teacher who teaches mythology and legends: “…the taught teachings of Joseph Campbell” Jensen: “Didn’t rub off that she was an English teacher” Oh boys! Stop bullying Jared, he worked till 4.30am before flying down to the panel!

17:45: Jared’s still talking, Jensen starts snoring. I can’t… Jared shakes him to wake him up.

18:20: Jared and Kripke are trying to clarify something (who was in the room when Jared auditioned) but Singer is in the way and they keep going front and back trying to make eye contact

19:24: we get to what Jensen’s experience of the audition process was. Jensen: Pretty much the same. Jared (immediately): zzzzzzz (resting his head on Jensen’s shoulder). Jensen goes on to talk about liaising with Nutter who wanted to bring him in and reading the script (for Sam). Jensen reading the script: “What about Dean? I like Dean. He’s funny” He studied for Sam (and Dean a little bit just in case) and went into the audition, said he felt good about it and got a call later from Erik: “There’s this guy, Jared Pada, Pada Something… that they’re really liking for one of the brothers” So Jensen looks him up on line and he’s like…

Jared: He thought I was hot.

Jensen: This guy’s smoking hot, I can’t play his brother!

Jared throws his head back and does that clapping thing he does.

21:10: host is asking by the time they performed together, they actually had the parts? Jensen: No, we didn’t have it officially. Jared (a bit surprised): Didn’t we? (looks at Erik). Erik says they were the only actors they brought into the Network audition (as you have to have the formality of the network signing off).

Jared says auditioning for the network is usually a terrifying process in front of around 5 people with a few others auditioning but when they turned up, it was only the two of them. Jensen: Just you and me pal. And it was the first time they’d met.

22:00: Jensen: “...And we’ve hated each other ever since.” He reaches for his water, Jared: “I poisoned your water so…” Jensen looks at water and drinks anyway

22:15: Kim Manners gets asked how he became involved. Kim: “I read for Sam…” Miss this man so much!

23:00: Erik says he doesn’t know what they would do without Kim up there [Vancouver] Kim: I know what you’d do, you’d get another guy! Panel: There is no other guy. Not true... Jared: “There is no other guy… named Kim.” Kim looks like he’s scheduling Jared in for a 4am pick up on his next episode.

23:40: Jared and Jensen talk about Kim and when he directed for the first time – Dead In the Water – they’d asked who he was and all David Nutter told them was they would love Kim, which they did and they contacted everyone from Day 1 saying he was incredible. Jared’s memory during this is pretty amazing in terms of episodes and directors etc. All the love for Kim and completely deserved!

24:20: Jared gets so expressive he sends his mic flying. Is this the very first Jared v microphones?! I think it might just be. Jared: 0, Microphones: 1

Jensen offers his own mic then Jared asks Singer for his also then finishes speaking by just holding his own mic, saying they begged and pleaded them to give Kim a job. Jared: because he was hungry… and he kept trying to bite my arm… and I was really worried.”

24:45: They were asked what is so incredible about Kim. Jensen: “Jared and I…” Wait, I need a moment here. Jared and I… sobs. He says they just responded well to him and his style of directing.

25:15: Bugs is mentioned by Jensen, Kim puts imaginary gun to his mouth. He really hated that episode and pleaded with Kripke not to do it. Jensen goes on to tell the bees story, 65,000 bees in a room, crew with full gear on. “Okay Jensen and Jared, hop on in…” Jared: “And don’t swat them because it makes them angry!” Jensen credits Kim saying that if J2 didn’t have bee suits on then he wasn’t going to either.

I should point out that J2 are mirroring throughout this segment in terms of their body language.

26:45: John (Shiban I think) is talking about how he got involved and what drew him in, and he said 2 things: the premise, he can see 5 years of suffering for these guys. Jensen throws his head back dramatically. The second thing is casting and chemistry and chemistry is something you can’t manufacture and these guys have it… 27:20 Jared and Jensen look at each other hearing this and Jared leans in for a kiss. Jensen shakes his head and points to the audience. Jared: worth a try. Oh boys. Jared will go on to try (and fail) to get a public kiss several times and will eventually give up and admit he doesn’t kiss Jensen... in public.

27:35: Bob [Singer] is asked what about you? Bob: Can I just watch them? (indicating Jensen and Jared). Same Bob tbh

27:55: Bob has to stop talking because J2 are doing something and we can’t see what they are doing but everyone is laughing. Bob throws his hands up and says “This is what it’s like to direct them!” I think from memory, Jared might be pouring water for Jensen and he keeps pouring and overspills and Jensen stops him. I might need to check my DVD as I think it’s got a different angle than this youtube video that I’m using or possibly this point comes later in the video.

Bob’s is a very interesting segment where he talks about how he and Kripke complement one another and I think this helps understand why Drabbernatural has gone off the rails as Singer (character focused) needs someone like Kripke (plot focused) to balance him out (and vice versa tbh) whereas Drabb is too much like Singer and can’t keep a handle on the plot. Anyway, interesting to watch from perspective of 14 years later and the mess that Drabbernatural is in terms of plot. This segment ends at 31:00 where Bob and Erik hug – after complimenting each other.

33:09: Kripke and John are talking about mythology v MOTW and at this point Erik is saying they have a mythology plan for season 2 and season 3 (if they are picked up). Jared looks confused at Jensen and they both turn to John. Jensen: When do we get to see this?

34:35: Erik Kripke (when asked if he knows where the story ends): He does, but you don’t know if you’re going to get cancelled or go 37 years like Gunsmoke. Kim: The boys are in Walkers. Jensen (I think, old man voice): Sam!

Oh, how they would be shocked to learn they went for 15 seasons in total

It was a good watch, highly recommend, particularly if you’ve been flagging with Drabbernatural and all the negativity over the summer.

I’ll be back tomorrow with the rest of it.

#supernatural #paleyfest 2006 #supernatural panel #jared padalecki #jensen ackles #j2 #my boys

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phoenix1966sbottom · 8 years ago

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I read Mismanaged by Macbyrne and absolutely fell in love with Non-AU stories! Do you mind reccing a few more please! Thanks so much!

When Jared is “real”…I probably won’t do another one of these because I don’t read much RPF non-au stories. As always, heed the author warnings where the story is posted. Since many are on Ao3, consider hitting the kudos button on your way through or, even better, leave a comment! It’s all the writer ever gets…

Mismanaged by MacByrne on Livejournal. Jared/Jensen. J2 Non-AU. Set during season one of Supernatural, Jensen discovers that Jared’s manager has been whoring Jared out for parts. One of my favorite non-au fics.

When the World Ends; That Is When We Begin by truelyesoteric on Ao3. Jared/Jensen. J2 Non-AU. Civilization as they knew it ended. That is all it took for them to admit what they really wanted. (no penetrative sex; mentions of past het relationships)

The Day Love Began (and the World Ended) by firesign10 in Ao3. Jared/Jensen. J2 Non-AU. No time like the present…(no penetrative sex)

Fading Silhouettes by Indysaur on LiveJournal. Jared/Jensen. J2 Non-AU. The problem is, Jared is days, miles, light years away. (no penetrative sex)

Scary Monsters by annie46fic on LiveJournal. Jared/Jensen. J2 Non-AU. He wonders, sometimes, at the irony of it all. An actor from Texas who got his lucky break in a programme about monsters and demons is now facing them for real.

New Day, New Dawn by sylsdarkplace on Ao3. Jared/Jensen. J2 Non-AU. Post-apocalyptic AU (no penetrative sex; background, het relationships)

Arguing on the Internet is Like by longsufferingly on LiveJournal. Jared/Jensen. J2 Non-AU. Jensen doesn’t know why everyone always thinks he’s the gay one.

Caught Red-Handed by nyxocity on LiveJournal. Jared/Jensen. J2 Non-AU. Jared gets caught by Jensen while posting an anonymous kink request for J2 in the blindfold_spn community.

For the Love of Manips by egoists on LiveJournal. Jared/Jensen. J2 Non-AU. Jensen can’t sleep and decides to search the internet. Clicks happen.

The Problem with Jared by fics_by_lindsay on LiveJournal. Jared/Jensen. J2 Non-AU. Jared reads bad things about himself online. Jensen blows him. (no penetrative sex)

Sources of Inspiration by bistokids on LiveJournal. Jared/Jensen. J2 Non-AU. The boys bring each other off quoting fan fiction. (no penetrative sex)

Logging On by annie46fic on Ao3. Jared/Jensen. J2 Non-AU. Jared is bored. Jared discovers the internet. Jared discovers fan girls and fan fiction. Jared learns that he is not quite what he thought he was! (background Jared/Gen and Jensen/Danneel but nothing descriptive)

As the Tides Change by freakn-out on Livejournal. Jared/Jensen. Non-AU. The boys attend a Supernatural reunion cruise. An accident casts them into the ocean, and they find themselves stranded on an island. With no way of contacting for help, they have to find a way to survive. Jensen has a fiance waiting for him at home, but could there be a possibility of something more than friendship between him and Jared?

#HappyHoHoHo by Exaggerated_Specificity on A03. Jared/Jensen. J2 Non-AU. Inspired by the Christmas twitter pic, Jared was wearing more than a dress.

Time and Tide by choccyprofit on Livejournal. Jared/Jensen. J2 Non-AU. Jared likes to draw and paint as a hobby while acting on Supernatural.

The Incremental Breakage… by smash86 on Livejournal. Jared/Jensen. J2 Non-AU. Set around season 3, Jared falls apart and turns to drugs.

So Easy (to throw it all away) by incruenta on LiveJournal. Jared/Jensen. J2 Non-AU. “Happy anniversary, love. When did you plan on telling me you’re screwing our co-star?” No topping or bottoming in this one.

From the Abyss by annie46 on LiveJournal. Jared/Jensen. J2 Non-AU. 2 years after Supernatural ended and their relationship hit the skids, Jensen finds himself confronted with a very different Jared. Can he ever make things right again? Or is Jared broken beyond repair.

Along This Rocky Road We Travel, Together by lissa-an on LiveJournal. Jared/Jensen. J2 Non-AU. Jared goes out to the store one night and is brutally raped and beaten. Throughout his recovery, Jensen’s there, every step of the way.

The Untold Love Story of Inanimate Objects by cyndrarae on Ao3. Jared/Jensen. J2 Non-AU. Season 5 was supposed to be the end of Supernatural. And after years of being together, Jensen Ackles and Jared Padalecki prepare to part ways with one final getaway. But when Jared meets with a ‘freak accident’, saying goodbye becomes harder than it already is. Jared needs help healing, lots of it. Also a favorite of mine!

Systemic Desensitization by lylithj2 on LiveJournal. Jared/Jensen. J2 Non-Au. Jensen Ackles and Jared Padalecki from Supernatural are traveling through the Midwest visiting roadside attractions until they get lost and stop to see ‘The Horror. (no penetrative sex)

New Four Letter Word by rockstarpeach on Ao3. Jared/Jensen. Not specified if AU or not. Jared really likes to get fucked. Pretty much constantly. Jensen does his best to keep up and tries not to feel inadequate. Porn and schmoop here, folks. Based on a kink meme prompt asking for cockslut Jared.

Love Through Music by kultiras on LiveJournal. Jared/Jensen. J2 Non-AU. Sometimes you have to pay attention to a song to find what it’s really saying to you; at least that’s what Jared is discovering…(only kissing, implied het past Jared/Sandy)

Real Slow by deirdre_c on Ao3. Jared/Jensen. J2 Non-AU. The stripteasing on stage at conventions is a joke, until Jensen gets drunk and sends a private video to Jared. Then it’s not so funny anymore.

Post Season Interview by Anon on spnkink-meme. Jared/Jensen. J2 Non-AU. J2 wants show fans other side their relationship…Inspired by: http://fawnsam.tumblr.com/post/117072598574/just-finished-season-10-10-years-same-show

Facts Don’t Constitute Arrogance by nyxocity on Ao3. Jared/Jensen. J2 Non-AU. Kissing Jared starts out as a joke to make Chad uncomfortable, but what it opens the door to turns out to be more than Jensen would ever have imagined.

Tell Me All the Things That I Wanna Hear by nyxocity on LiveJournal. Jared/Jensen. J2 Non-AU. Phone sex. Jared’s at a con alone, Jensen’s jealous because he knows Jared’s been flirting all day. Jared shows Jensen he knows whose he is.

Yours By Any Other Name by nyxocity on Ao3. Jared/Jensen. J2 Non-AU. Jensen gets jealous after watching Jared make out with an actress on set most of the day. Jensen then proceeds to show Jared he belongs to Jensen no matter who he is–especially if he’s Dean Winchester.

And a whole bunch by MorganaDW on Ao3 that I going to put below the cut so that this post doesn’t get too long. Some of these might mention future switching.

Bottles on the Beach by MorganaDW on Ao3. Jared/Jensen. J2 Non-AU. Supernatural has been over for six years. Jensen’s moved on & is close to starting back on daytime TV but no one’s seen or heard from Jared in nearly five years.At a press event Jensen is approached by a reporter with a photo of his friend living on a beach. Confused & alarmed, he goes to find Jared to learn what happened.When he does, Jensen must also face the very reason he pulled away from Jared to begin in. As he does, and he learns that Jared’s kept his own secret feelings hidden the truth behind Jared’s disappearance comes out and Jensen finds out just what someone close to him was willing to do to keep him and Jared apart.

Birthday Wish by MorganaDW on Ao3. Jared/Jensen. J2 Non-AU. It’s season 5 and Jensen’s birthday. He has one wish and plans to share it that night. The only problem is Jared decides not to go to the party so what’s a frustrated Jensen to do? He goes looking for answers as to why his best friend blew him off.Jared’s hiding a huge secret & while he wants to spend his best friend’s birthday with him he can’t watch him make out with another girl like last year so he doesn’t go.A knock on his door will change both their lives.

Reunion at the Upfronts by MorganaDW on Ao3. Jared/Jensen. J2 Non-AU.Jared’s been missing Jensen since filming for Season 9 ended. He’s been looking to catching up with his co-star, best friend and boyfriend when they go to the Upfronts but a harmless gesture from a meddling Misha might throw a wrench into his plans…or give him more than he could hope for.

Surprise Arrangements by MorganaDW on Ao3. Jared/Jensen. J2 Non-AU.Danneel and Gen are tired of their husbands pretending what they see between them doesn’t exist so with the help of a very unlikely Chad they make arrangements to get Jared and Jensen together and then can only hope the boys cooperate like they think they should.

The Day Twitter Blew Up by MorganaDW on Ao3. Jared/Jensen. J2 Non-AU.It should’ve been any normal J2 day an VanCon until Jensen decides to do something that not only shocks those closest to him but also his fans. Then it’s a matter of reassuring Jared that it’s a good idea when he worries about how Twitter and their fans will react in the long run.

In Too Deep by MorganaDW on Ao3. Jared/Jensen. J2 Non-AU. Filming while directing is never easy but when a scene causes Jensen to go too deep into his own head and almost hurts Jared, his guilt leads to more later on that night.

Not Without Him by MorganaDW on Ao3. Jared/Jensen. J2 Non-AU. Jensen’s off set when something happens that calls him back to Vancouver in a hurry and he’s faced with the very real threat of the show he’s given 10 years to changing in a way that he will not allow.When the network is fed lies about Jared and actually considers firing him Jensen finally has had enough of the lies, the innuendo and makes two very clear demands: one to his network and one to whom he blames for things getting to this point: Keep Jared or he walks as well and fix this insanity.

The Morning After by MorganaDW on Ao3. Jared/Jensen. J2 Non-AU. Waking up the morning after they wrapped up Season 10 find Jensen and Jared both a little worse for wear and trying to figure out just what they got up to the night before.

Making it Home for Christmas by MorganaDW on Ao3. Jared/Jensen. J2 Non-AU.. Jared’s in Austin planning for Christmas when he wakes up with what he thought was nightmare until Jensen’s father arrives on his door with some news he’s not prepared for and rushes back to Vancouver.

Mistletoe and Countdowns by MorganaDW on Ao3. Jared/Jensen. J2 Non-AU. Innocent teasing and joking turns into something more under a sprig of mistletoe.

All Wrapped Up by MorganaDW on Ao3. Jared/Jensen. J2 Non-AU.Jensen finds an early Christmas present all wrapped with a bow when he gets home and remembers that Jared knows him all too well.

New Discoveries by MorganaDW on Ao3. Jared/Jensen. J2 Non-AU. When an unexpected phone call from an unlikely source sends Jensen flying back to Vancouver over the summer hiatus he finds a very upset, very drunk Jared…in his bed.

Reality Check by MorganaDW on Ao3. Jared/Jensen. J2 Non-AU.When a joking question at a Supernatural convention about the height difference between Jared and Gen comes up. A mock kiss on stage takes both Jared and Jensen by surprise and both men make some choices that doesn’t come to a surprise to others in their lives.

Control Issues by MorganaDW on Ao3. Jared/Jensen. J2 Non-AU.Season 10 is winding up, emotions are running high so Jared plans for a relaxing weekend at home for him and Jensen. Unfortunately for Jared, someone has other plans and Jared finds himself playing with someone he wasn’t expecting.

Surprising Valentine by MorganaDW on Ao3. Jared/Jensen. J2 Non-AU.Jared’s home in Austin the night before a convention and Valentine’s Day. He’s tired and unhappy to learn he’s supposed to go out until he learns who the surprise dinner is with and what is planned for the night.

Reunited by MorganaDW on Ao3. Jared/Jensen. J2 Non-AU.Jared and Jensen have been apart for a week before flying into Birmingham, England for the Asylum convention. Each want only one thing and that’s the other and Jensen is prepared to do whatever he had to in order to make it happen. Regardless of who he makes mad.

All Tied Up by MorganaDW on Ao3. Jared/Jensen. J2 Non-AU.After Asylum 16 in England, instead of going home to Austin in between cons, Jensen has other plans for him and Jared. Plans that include keeping his co-star very distracted and a lot tied up.

#Anonymous #fanfic rec #bottom!jared #j2 non-au #j2 non aus

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zmediaoutlet · 8 years ago

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So, Tumblr is always toxically depressing after a Supernatural episode and probably the thing to do would be to just log off and go work out or something, and in fact I think that will be the plan for the rest of the morning. But I’ve been thinking a lot about two things, having seen all the dramatic rending of clothing and vicious anger and whatnot, so I might as well get it down somewhere.

1. The function of secondary characters.

So, you’re writing a text. The first thing to do is decide what the text is about and the character(s) you’re going to use to explore that about. In an ensemble television show, you often have a ‘main’-ish character or two, but they share the load of the about with their co-stars. Game of Thrones is actually a great example of an ensemble cast--there are big ‘mains’ with Cersei, Jamie, Arya, Sansa, etc., but no one character bears the full burden of the storyline; the story is told through all of their combined mini-stories. A slightly different ensemble-style show would be House, where House himself is obviously the main character, but Wilson, Cuddy, Foreman, etc., get their own storylines to spread the load slightly from House. Most of the show will be about him, of course, but there are times when the side-characters hold an equal share of the storytelling load.

Then we have Supernatural. This is absolutely not an ensemble-style show. There are two main characters, Sam and Dean, and everyone else is reduced to secondary status. (There is an argument to be made for Castiel and Crowley, given the extra-textual contractual status of Misha and Mark, but functionally the show remains entirely about Sam and Dean.) ((Or did, but that’s something to return to later.)) There are no real storylines external to Sam and Dean; they carry the entire weight of the show, because it is about the two of them, their relationship, and how they grow as people.

So. What function do secondary characters serve, in that context? They can’t meaningfully bear storylines or real weight, because they’re necessarily extremely secondary in importance to the actual mains. When we’re writing, we create secondary characters not to be interesting characters in themselves (though if they are interesting, that’s a nice bonus), but to serve as support for the story of the mains. What does this mean? Secondary characters can be a goad to action for the mains (villains often serve this function); they can act as guide or support (Bobby, Jody); they can provide an emotional spur (Mary, John), or teach a lesson (Garth), or give them an opportunity to be heroes (Claire). They can also just be friends (Eileen), but that’s part of it, too--the importance of the friendship doesn’t rest in the secondary character, it rests in how the main’s feelings and character are expressed with that friendship.

When a secondary character gets a spotlight shone on them, it is never for the sake of that character; it is because what the secondary character is going through has meaning for the main. When Claire has her little Randy storyline, it functions within the larger story because it provides contrast to Sam and Dean’s childhood with John (the CGBG story), it gives Castiel something to do (as a quasi-main), and it provides the situation where Dean slaughters the room full of men with little provocation (hooking into the larger MoC storyline). It’s not about Claire, though it’s easy to see how someone would say it was. More pressingly, when Eileen is brought in as a character in s11, she provides a parallel to Sam and Dean, as someone whose family was killed and who is now seeking her revenge. When she’s brought back in s12, what function does she serve? We know the BMoL are trying to control hunters. Functionally, the character is brought back for a minor setpiece involving the BMoL; this reminds the audience who she is and sets up the plot of that episode. We see her being friendly with Sam and Dean (=mains feel kindly toward this secondary, so there is an emotional tie-in the actual about of the story). When she kills a member of the BMoL accidentally, Sam and Dean protect her (=goad to action for mains & precursor to future conflict with larger plot arc). When she is then murdered in 12.21, we know exactly why that happened: the foreshadowing is complete, the mains feel sad, they are goaded to action to engage with the larger plot arc by now figuring out what the BMoL are up to. It isn’t just killing for shock value. It is functional. Which brings me to:

2. ‘Fandom’ is an extremely small set of the audience.

What does that have to do with anything? Well, this. So--if we go by TV by the Numbers, SPN Season 12 has carried between 1.38 million and 2.15 million viewers per episode. (The 2.15 is an outlier; the average is closer to about 1.7 per.) The population of those viewers who are actively engaged is lower than that, necessarily--most viewers will be relatively casual viewers. They like it, but not necessarily more than the other shows they watch. Of the people who do engage enough to be part of ‘fandom,’ there are subsets on Facebook, on reddit, on Tumblr. These are a small section. Of that section, the group that ships characters is even smaller.

This show is not on HBO or FX, which have a more artistic sensibility behind their decisions. It’s on the CW, and therefore is written to maintain a solid viewer base who will watch the commercials that the CW sells during SPN’s timeslot. With the changing nature of television viewership, they’re also hoping that people will be engaged enough to buy individual episodes on Amazon (this is what I do), watch on the official CW site (again--pageviews = advertisements), or watch through an officially licensed provider (Hulu, Netflix), so that the network will gain a percentage of the revenue. (This means, by the way, that if you pirate the show you really don’t have a leg to stand on as far as complaining about it.) The show is written to be broadly appealing to as many people as they can cram into these revenue-generating views as possible, and the casual viewer is a major part of that.

The point I’m circling around is that--the things that ‘fandom’ cares about are not the things that the casual viewer cares about, and therefore aren’t the things that the creators care about. Fandom randomly seizes on characters to love, often because of the opportunity to ship (since we know that ship-fic is miles more popular than gen-fic; just look at the hitcount differences on AO3). Fandom obsesses over those characters. They invent backstories and personalities for those characters. They decide, based on very little information, how the mains could relate to them, how they fit into the larger universe, etc. They elevate these secondary characters nearly to main status. Then--because of the functional reality of how secondary characters operate, particularly on this show where nearly everyone dies--one of those secondary characters dies. The fandom explodes. Screaming, rending of flesh. Threats to the writers. Demands that they be fired. Insistence that there was no point to the death, that the character deserved better, because the fandom cared about them so deeply. Forgetting, again, that Character X was never important or alive beyond the function that they served in the story. Forgetting, too, that for the casual viewer it’s an ‘oh, dang’ moment, and then the casual viewer just watches to see what happens next. ‘Aw, Sam sure is sad about that one girl dying. I guess they’re going to go after the British dudes now, huh.’ End emotional engagement--and also, therefore, end the creators’ engagement with the secondary character, because they’ve served their purpose.

I don’t know where this leads. Clearly some people deeply enjoy their anger, and I can’t say that they shouldn’t feel angry. I am also generally disappointed by season 12, so I understand those reactions (more than the ‘how dare!’ reactions after character death). Since the show is about Sam and Dean, it’s troubling that the larger season seems to have so little to do with them. Right now the show’s stuck in an awkward space between what it always has been--the Sam & Dean Love Show, per Kripke--and... like, half of an ensemble show, where the secondary characters remain unimportant and yet we’ve got to trudge along with their storylines anyway. I know the extra-textual reasons behind this (and here’s hoping J2 get vasectomies so the show doesn’t continue to be boring and not-itself), but it’s still disappointing that the executives in charge couldn’t write something more artistically pleasing, given the strictures tying their hands. Casual fans probably haven’t noticed much, though, and so there’s little incentive to change.

There are certainly problems that the show has. Killing secondary characters is so far down the list that it seems inconsequential, and the furor generated over it masks the much more important flaws that could be discussed. The ‘fuck Bucklemming’ meme, while it’s clearly enjoyable for a lot of people, is just that--a meme, repeated ad nauseum, providing a handy semi-masturbatory thing to focus on while more nuanced discussion withers away, left by the wayside.

#writing #fandom wank #this is really long but i don't feel like putting it under a cut #the wank is just so goddamn tedious #eh #time to work out

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hippychick006 · 4 years ago

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Paleyfest 2006: Supernatural Panel

So many memories and a lot of things I’d forgotten but definitely worth a revisit to remember falling in love with this show and these guys, particularly with Drabbernatural and all the negativity recently.

I mentioned on another post, but want it stated here for completeness, that Supernatural Paleyfest 2006 is the panel that made me sit up and take notice of J2 as an entity, rather than just Jared and Jensen. Their natural chemistry in this panel just jumped out and you can see they were already becoming a bubble in how they interacted with each other. This is the panel that reeled me in, dammit!

In summary, this panel gave us the following J2 gold moments;

Jensen strip teasing for Jared (we think)

Boys acting like brothers

Protective Jensen

J2 dodging questions and trying to pass it to the other

J2 not listening to the actual question and having to ask again

J2 teasing each other and playing off each other so naturally

Flirty boys and gutter minds

Jared v microphones – microphones: 1, Jared: 0

Use of Jared and I…

Mirroring body language

Jared trying to get a kiss in public (it will become a running theme and if Jensen’s podcast with Michael Rosenbaum is correct then he’s getting his 15 year reward for being patient) Please don’t @ me, I’m aware Jensen is joking!

Shy, embarrassed, adorkable clapping and laughing Jared

J2 finishing each others’ sentences

J2 in sync

Placing under a cut as longish post

Note: Part 1 was posted recently. There are 3 edits so far between that post and this one: 7:15 and 17:45, 27:55, they are all clearly marked, otherwise the text is the same as before. Part 2 has been added since the initial post.

Timings are based on the video link and start at the answer point rather than the question:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R6YHq20XmNE

Part 1: Questions from the host

Supernatural was named in the Top 5 of new series by Entertainment Weekly

Aww. Kim Manners ☹ Miss his influence so much on the later seasons

2:20: Jensen followed by Jared are announced to the panel. Jared arrives and doesn’t quite know where he’s supposed to go. Oh Jared.

Robert Singer looks so young! Working with J2 for so long has definitely aged him. 😊

3:35: Erik says as far as he’s aware, this panel is the first gathering of Supernatural fans

They showed Scarecrow episode at the panel – great choice!

7:15: Jensen is reintroduced to the panel. The host can barely get through Jensen’s previous roles because of the fans. Jensen says something at 8.10 “Over to you, Jared.” I think, not 100% sure, but he definitely shouts something to Jared (who has still to be introduced). [Edit, thanks to @wordsfallapart we think this might be “This is for you, Jared” which Jensen says as he’s taking off his jacket].

8:55: J2 slap hands as Jared sits down beside Jensen at the panel.

13:40: Erik’s been talking about the concept of the show and the care the brothers have for each other. Cut to Jared who is currently pouring Jensen some water. Aww

15:45: Jensen and Jared trying to dodge the question by passing it to each other, Jared: What’s the exact question?

Immediately following this Jared’s talking about getting the role from his perspective and his little baby!Jared Texan accent is just…

17:45: Jared’s still talking, Jensen starts snoring. I can’t… Jared shakes him to wake him up.[Edit: thanks to @annianvi Jared wakes him up by saying: Dean!”]

18:20: Jared and Kripke are trying to clarify something (who was in the room when Jared auditioned) but Singer is in the way and they keep going front and back trying to make eye contact

Jared: He thought I was hot. Jensen: This guy’s smoking hot, I can’t play his brother! Jared throws his head back and does that clapping thing he does.

22:00: Jensen: “...And we’ve hated each other ever since.” He reaches for his water, Jared: “I poisoned your water so…” Jensen looks at water and drinks anyway

22:15: Kim Manners gets asked how he became involved. Kim: “I read for Sam…” Miss this man so much!

24:20: Jared gets so expressive he sends his mic flying. Is this the very first Jared v microphones?! I think it might just be. Jared: 0, Microphones: 1

Jensen offers his own mic, then Jared asks Singer for his also then finishes speaking by just holding his own mic, saying they begged and pleaded them to give Kim a job. Jared: because he was hungry… and he kept trying to bite my arm… and I was really worried.”

I should point out that J2 are mirroring throughout this segment in terms of their body language.

26:45: John (Shiban) is talking about how he got involved and what drew him in, and he said 2 things: the premise, he can see 5 years of suffering for these guys. Jensen throws his head back dramatically. The second thing is casting and chemistry and chemistry is something you can’t manufacture and these guys have it… 27:20 Jared and Jensen look at each other hearing this and Jared leans in for a kiss. Jensen shakes his head and points to the audience. Jared: worth a try. Oh boys. Jared will go on to try (and fail) to get a public kiss several times and will eventually give up and admit he doesn’t kiss Jensen... in public.

27:35: Bob [Singer] is asked what about you? Bob: Can I just watch them? (indicating Jensen and Jared). Same Bob tbh

27:55: Bob has to stop talking because J2 are doing something and we can’t see what they are doing but everyone is laughing. Bob throws his hands up and says, “This is what it’s like to direct them!” I think from memory, Jared might be pouring water for Jensen and he keeps pouring and overspills and Jensen stops him. I might need to check my DVD as I think it’s got a different angle than this youtube video that I’m using or possibly this point comes later in the video. [Edit, it doesn’t come later, so I definitely think this is where Jared overspills Jensen’s water and not sure why it isn’t in this edit]

Part 2 – Questions from the audience

note timings here again generally refer to the start time of the answer, not the question.

36:45: One of the questions was whether there was any significance to John being in Sacramento twice, was it random or spoilery? John (Shiban) answers mysteriously: I don’t want to give it away yet and says nothing else. Jensen: So yes, there is. John: I’m not going to tell you either. Jensen (throws his hands up): I want to know! John promises after. The host then asks if there is any significance to Lawrence, Kansas. Erik answers that basically yes there is (but not what it is), host asks J2 if they know what it is. J2 (lying in sync): uh, yeah, gosh, of course...

37:45: When asked what folklore or urban legend scares you, Jensen says he’s been dealing with them all season, someone shouts out “bees!” Jensen says “bees.” Jared tells a story of watching Shadowman as a kid, then realises “it’s probably not scary” and stops talking, gets embarrassed and tries to hide in his jacket. Audience (and me) awwws

39:15: Audience member has asked about the disconnect between Sam being at college for 4 years but only not having seen Dean for 2 years and is there an answer to what happened 2 years ago. J2 aren’t sure, Jensen: Erik? Long story short, “hehe, it was a mistake!”

40:50: Question about whether they have to trade off with the network for scenes that are too scary. Bob: you get into strange discussions; the network might say “can we not see the decapitated head roll…” Bob: Can we do half a turn?

41:30: still talking about trade off, Jensen: There was also the uh, when… Jared: the gun rig. Jensen: yeah, the gun rig with me… Jared knowing exactly what Jensen was trying to say and finishing his sentence – and this was end of season 1! I’m going to need another moment! They go on to talking about Dean getting shot in the head in Nightmare and it was the only scene Standards and Practices wouldn’t allow. They wouldn’t show the entire shot, so we only see the splat on the wall when Dean’s shot and not the entire thing moment to end. Singer says when he saw the dailies of the full shot, he called Phil (Scriggia) who was directing to ask what the hell he was doing and Phil answered “well if they see that, they’ll give me the rest of the stuff…” Kim explained it was a game they play with standards and practice where they deliberately shoot extra frames violent, expecting them to come in and say they need to take stuff out and you act all disappointed – 4 frames, really? But you always knew you didn’t need those frames and you get to keep the stuff you do want.

44:20: Question about whether anything on set – e.g. the scarecrow has creeped them out. Jared talks about filming Skin when a clock randomly fell off the wall during filming, and they all decided to pretend it didn’t happen, rather than investigate “the way real brave people do it”. Jensen immediately follows up with Asylum and that it was filmed in a real mental asylum. The crew had said not to go up to the fourth floor. Jensen… obviously went up to the fourth floor “taking a shortcut”. He came to a long, dark hallway that had no lights. Jensen (to himself): Well… it’s not that long… I can make it.”

46:20: Question about moving to a new network (WB to CW) and if they were going to get more NC17 stuff like Jensen’s recent episode. Jensen and Jared look at each other. Jensen: I’m confused. Audience members shout out: Teh sex episode! J2: oh, oh right. Jensen: How could I forget that. (looks at Erik): Thank you for that. Erik: Sure, Happy birthday Jensen

46:40: still on this, Erik: The CW is huge on full frontal male nudity. Jared laughs, claps and reaches for some water, then proceeds to choke on it. Jensen immediately slaps his back, making a gesture for a medic. This panel really does have it all!

48:40: Question about whether the show will explore the boys’ past. Erik says they’ve got an episode coming up where they do just that. Jared: Another positive is that if little Sam and little Dean are filming, big Sam and big Dean are sleeping. Everyone: So keep pushing. Jensen: Flashbacks. I’m so glad the boys finally got some more time off in later seasons!

49:15: Question about whether Dean’s necklace means anything. Jensen looks at Erik/Singer: Are you going to hang me out to dry on this one? Singer: Oh yeah. Jared laughs. They basically say it does, but they can’t talk about it. John Shiban: It’s from Sacramento (referring to earlier question where he was being mysterious). Jensen loses it.

50:15: Question about if working with green screen has got easier to do and also when the DVD comes out, is it going to have a lot of behind the scenes jokes because “this is funny”. Uh, yeah it is lady and yes they will. Jensen answers that they’ve just had a film crew on set the last week doing behind the scenes stuff and that will be on the DVD. He then goes on to answer the green screen “we do do..” then stops, looks at Jared, “I said do do!” There follows a brief intermission for juvenile humour. Jensen (tries to regroup): We do… work a lot with… Kim (I think): doo doo. Jensen and Jared are laughing. Jensen: Jared, you can take this one. Jared: As Kim and Jensen were saying we do do… They do eventually get around to answering and also talk about not just green screen but when they’ve got to pretend on a normal set and special effects will add things in later.

53:45: Question about whether Jensen has trouble to do this type of show being a Christian and whether fans had called the number Dean gave out on screen. Fan gets very excited during her question. Jared: If you want to actually call him its 800-Wet legs. I can’t... Jensen leans over to whisper in Jared’s ear. Jared: oh, you changed it? They’re lost and have forgotten the question. Jensen answers the Christian question very honestly, saying his family is very religious and does his grandmother cringe sometimes, yes, but he’s happy. Kripke answers the phone question saying it was real and he listened to around 20-30 of the thousands received. “Sam, Dean, you need to come quick, there’s a ghost in my attic!”

55:45: Question about what car they drive. Jensen (proudly): it’s a 67 chevy impala. Audience shouts metallicar. And Jared repeats it to Jensen, so I think this is the first use of metallicar. Someone on the panel says, “they’re going to sell well.” Jensen says they have about 5 of them. Jared: That’s why you can’t get them on e-bay. Jensen: We have them all.

When they ask for the next question, lots of people put their hand up and the boys are surprised at the number still wanting to ask questions.

56:15: Fan says, let’s talk about the music. Audience cheer, Jensen says “Yes”, Jared claps in agreement. Fan asks for the inspiration for using 70s mullet rock. Kripke answers that he is a huge fan of that music and he was adamant it had that and not the usual music on the network that he wrote into the pilot script: Cue Music. And you can take your anemic alternative pop and shove it up your ass! He goes on to say he wrote the scene where Sam’s going through the tapes in the pilot specifically so the network would have no choice but to use that music because it was already shot and part of the pilot.

58:50: Question from aspiring actor wondering how hard it was for J2 to get started. Jensen (to Jared): Go ahead.

Jared talks about winning Teen choice awards and giving trophies to winners like Freddie Prince Jr for “best hottie of the world”. Jensen: it’s been pretty much downhill from there.” Jared talks about picking up his agent (Dan) and then going back to finish school, because his parents (and he says daddy which I love about him) said “He’s finishing high school!” He then went out for pilot season, picked up a pilot and used the money from that to go back out during the summer (after school ended and before college). He’s very humble and hasn’t changed in that respect saying he has buddies that are much more talented and more committed than him that are still struggling to make it, it’s a tough industry but keep working hard.

Jensen talks about being in theatre in Dallas, talent agent from LA was in the audience, he came up to Jensen afterwards and gave his pitch, Jensen told him to “bugger off” and the agent went to his parents who listened more than he did. It still took him a few years to take up the offer (so he must have been a lot younger) and decided to go to LA and give it a couple of months. He started working straight away.

1:01:12: Question about what alcohol they like to drink (?!) Jared: What alcohol do you got? Questioner clarifies: Are you hard guys, light guys. Jared laughs and claps: My mom would kill me. Jared does go on to say the beer bottles in the show always have fake labels… [Something makes a noise in the ceiling, Jared gets distracted and looks up: God? then continues answering] …the labels usually have something do with the town/state they are supposed to be in, so if Texas, it will be Lonestar Lager. Boys are mirroring again at this point.

Jared (looks at Jensen): You know we’re Texas boys. I think… Jensen: You know, we’d probably drink what you imagine a couple of Texas boys would drink Jared: Put in a cup Jensen (does that smirk thing he does): That’s right Jared gets embarrassed so no idea what any of this means but I’m putting it under flirty boys

1:02:38: Host asks their favourite scene they’ve written, directed or acted in since the show started and why

Kim: Shadow, where the boys first saw their father. He talks about the scenes and particularly the one where Dean asks Sam why does he think Dean came to get him from Stanford, because Dean wants them to be a family again. 1:03:00 Jensen pretends to wipe his eyes and audience awws. This prompts Kim to say that Jensen had a tough time with that and he and Kim had to arm wrestle over it - and Kim isn’t missed more than listening to him here, talking about Dean letting down his barriers for a fraction of a second. He got Dean and Sam and he got this show and the first few seasons are so good because they had his hands all over it. Kim says their [J2s] game of tennis improves 2000% when up against JDM and Nikki and I would agree, the casting decisions in the early seasons were phenomenal, later seasons, not so much though we still have amazing finds in Rowena and the witch twins. J2 nod pretty much throughout Kim’s answer.

1:03:55: Jared comments after Kim’s answer and says not just to say this but having a great director to tell you exactly what to do doesn’t make it hard. Jensen and I would tell you a thousand times every day that, you know, Kim got it out of us.

1:04:10: Host asks Jensen if he didn’t want to do that scene because you thought Dean wouldn’t say that? Jensen gives a really thoughtful answer. He talks about him being a little protective of Dean and him showing emotions. And he wasn’t sure how much of the layers to peel away in that scene so was putting up his own barriers and if there was anyone to get him through it, it was Kim and he’s glad he was there.

1:05:00: back to the original question about favourite scene and this time it’s John who answers with Skin. Again, he has some interesting things to say and in particular, they talk about how they want to do this monster (skinwalker), but how will Supernatural do it, how do we make it special for our show. He talks about the scene of Dean in the sewer. He says his friends sent him some online posts of a fan’s reaction to that scene. “Oh my god, Dean’s taking his shirt off!” followed immediately by “Oh my god, he’s taking his skin off!!” Jensen laughs, not sure he’s heard that before.

1:06:10: Jensen talks about filming the scene in Dead in the Water where he saves the little boy and the slow motion etc. was all really neat but the build up to that, shooting it was really (shakes head). He talks about trying to keep both him and the boy afloat with one arm while 2 divers were under water holding onto his feet ready to pull him down. He said that was overwhelming. Reading between the lines and from memory of other interviews I think he was concerned that the boy’s life was in his hands.

1:07:30: Jared talks about Wendigo and he had so many questions because of the time difference between filming the pilot and filming Wendigo about where they pick up and where they’re going and how they continue the momentum. He talks about being on the stage with Jensen and it’s the dad’s journal scene. Dean’s got dad’s journal saying what it’s all about and Sam wants to find dad and that they had 9 pages of dialogue to do so they went to practice and Jared had an acting coach who pushed and prodded Jared a little bit “and I don’t know what he did to Jensen but uh…” [Jensen’s face! Rumour iirc is he did not like the acting coach and I know he didn’t last long on set].

Jensen: I don’t want to talk about it Jared: It was noisy Jensen: Never again Jared: That’s between y’all and the wall

They got the scene and it was the first time Jared thought he was doing what Kripke wanted.

Kripke adds he remembers seeing the dailies on that scene and they were just through the roof. It was incredible Such a supportive cast and crew with each other!

1:09:15: Bob, the scene at the end of Faith. The scene between Jensen and Julie Benz where Dean says, “I’m not much for praying, but I’ll pray for you.” And Julie’s character responds, “Well that’s a miracle right there.” Bob thought it was incredibly well acted by both.

1:10:20: Kripke, agrees with all of them, but will add the scene when Dean first calls his father in Home and tells him to come to Lawrence and the way Jensen was able to try to put up walls and the walls kept coming down but… remember this is Kripke… “when the dude stuck his hand in the disposal… [everyone laughs] Kripke getting more excited: “and then the monkey starts clapping and we had that shot beneath the sink and you could actually see all the goo come out. They saw the shot in dailies and thought they would never let them use it. It’s probably the scene in the show where people watch behind their hands and that’s part of the fun of getting the reaction out of the audience. Again, completely agree with Kripke here, the show first and foremost was about horror and it’s sadly forgotten that somewhere along the way. So Kripke’s answer at this point in time for favourite scene is “garbage disposal scene in home”

The panel ends with Kripke asking for a round of applause for the crew who are in the audience for an unbelievable season. The host thanks the panel for being there and for the good work they are doing.

So a great panel, and answers some of the questions, for me at least, why the show hasn’t managed to retain some of the core magic that made the earlier seasons so special.

Kripke as the creator was very clear in his vision - sometimes manic in the delivery of it - but he had people like Singer and Gamble to balance him out and bring him back down.

The show knew why they were successful and focused on that (chemistry between J2) and they first and foremost were focussed on telling a scary story every week while weaving in the mytharc without being too heavy on mytharc, and I believe Kim helped enormously in keeping them grounded in the horror aspect with his previous work on x-files so again, he is severely missed in later episodes.

All things which have either been lost or severely watered down the futher removed from Kripke at the helm the show has gotten.

All jmho.

Next up in terms of classic panels will be Chicon 2007 - which I think was the first fan convention iirc - and I’ll cover the J2 panels and the individual panels from that, but not any other actor.

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